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Feb
Feb
British vs Spanish nationality?
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Amy asked:
OK guys here is my dilemma…
I am living and working in Spain and have been for almost 2 years now. Recently my British passport got stolen and I reported it. Now, to get a new one I have to pay 200€ and it takes 2 months. Going through all the application forms I stumble upon this gem:
Because birth in the United Kingdom* after 31 December 1982 does not automatically confer British citizenship, additional information and documentation is required to establish your national status under the provisions of the British Nationality Act 1981, which came into force on the 1 January 1983.
(I was born in 1987) To throw into the mix, neither of my parents were born in England and only one has since applied and received British nationality (my father, Swiss). My mother is Spanish and holds only Spanish citizenship despite having lived in England some 27 years and given birth and raising her 2 children there.
As states in the passport application forms:
If neither parent was born in the United Kingdom* or a qualifying territory or naturalized/registered as a British national, please give town, country and date of birth of all four grandparents in Section 7 and then return to Section 3.
I do not have (and neither does my mother) said information for her two parents being that she did not grow up with them. I feel that it is very likely that I could be refused the passport/nationality being that essentially I do not live/work in or contribute anything to the country and both my parents are foreigners (one holding dual nationality).
In Spain you have something called the ´family book´ where all births and marriages to/from a Spanish person are registered. I’m not sure about spouses but with children I think it gives them some rights, some kind of leeway in Spain. For example, you would have to be living here for 5 years (working) before being considered for nationality but if you are in the family book that changes (id have to research into how exactly). My mum is pushing for me to get the English passport thinking that as my dad has British nationality I shouldn´t have a problem but I am not convinced. Also, though I know being English gives you many benefits and rights for anywhere you go, Spanish nationality gets you a passport and a DNI which is the national identity card. With the DNI you can travel via plane within Europe without a passport. Meaning, I would not have this problem. Losing the Spanish passport means you have to get a new one but it does not stop or hinder your normal activity in any way being that you have in your possession of the DNI. Plus obviously being much easier to re apply etc if you are in the country of issue. Right now I am living in Spain. Who knows if in the future I will return to England, but in either case, my mum has lived 27 years without any problems as a Spanish passport holder in England. Plus application for the Spanish nationality (being that my birth is registered here as well as being registered in the family book and being half Spanish) would be process A LOT quicker that going for the British.
In the UK they could say yes they could say no but to find that out I have to pay the 200€ and wait the two months. If they say no then I would have to apply for Spanish nationality and I don’t know if that ´no´ from England would affect my chances here as it would obviously all be recorded. So effectively, right now I have no nationality. Apart from the obvious problems that presents me with. In the case that I might need to go to hospital, I have no nationality or identification. In the case that I lose my job, I cannot get another except illegally (cleaner, bar maid). In the case that I’m in a bar or at someone’s house or even in the street and the police are called…
OK guys here is my dilemma…
I am living and working in Spain and have been for almost 2 years now. Recently my British passport got stolen and I reported it. Now, to get a new one I have to pay 200€ and it takes 2 months. Going through all the application forms I stumble upon this gem:
Because birth in the United Kingdom* after 31 December 1982 does not automatically confer British citizenship, additional information and documentation is required to establish your national status under the provisions of the British Nationality Act 1981, which came into force on the 1 January 1983.
(I was born in 1987) To throw into the mix, neither of my parents were born in England and only one has since applied and received British nationality (my father, Swiss). My mother is Spanish and holds only Spanish citizenship despite having lived in England some 27 years and given birth and raising her 2 children there.
As states in the passport application forms:
If neither parent was born in the United Kingdom* or a qualifying territory or naturalized/registered as a British national, please give town, country and date of birth of all four grandparents in Section 7 and then return to Section 3.
I do not have (and neither does my mother) said information for her two parents being that she did not grow up with them. I feel that it is very likely that I could be refused the passport/nationality being that essentially I do not live/work in or contribute anything to the country and both my parents are foreigners (one holding dual nationality).
In Spain you have something called the ´family book´ where all births and marriages to/from a Spanish person are registered. I’m not sure about spouses but with children I think it gives them some rights, some kind of leeway in Spain. For example, you would have to be living here for 5 years (working) before being considered for nationality but if you are in the family book that changes (id have to research into how exactly). My mum is pushing for me to get the English passport thinking that as my dad has British nationality I shouldn´t have a problem but I am not convinced. Also, though I know being English gives you many benefits and rights for anywhere you go, Spanish nationality gets you a passport and a DNI which is the national identity card. With the DNI you can travel via plane within Europe without a passport. Meaning, I would not have this problem. Losing the Spanish passport means you have to get a new one but it does not stop or hinder your normal activity in any way being that you have in your possession of the DNI. Plus obviously being much easier to re apply etc if you are in the country of issue. Right now I am living in Spain. Who knows if in the future I will return to England, but in either case, my mum has lived 27 years without any problems as a Spanish passport holder in England. Plus application for the Spanish nationality (being that my birth is registered here as well as being registered in the family book and being half Spanish) would be process A LOT quicker that going for the British.
In the UK they could say yes they could say no but to find that out I have to pay the 200€ and wait the two months. If they say no then I would have to apply for Spanish nationality and I don’t know if that ´no´ from England would affect my chances here as it would obviously all be recorded. So effectively, right now I have no nationality. Apart from the obvious problems that presents me with. In the case that I might need to go to hospital, I have no nationality or identification. In the case that I lose my job, I cannot get another except illegally (cleaner, bar maid). In the case that I’m in a bar or at someone’s house or even in the street and the police are called…
I need to know from you lovely people if I am missing any grand advantage to holding a British passport. If there is something big that being a British citizen gives you that I am not aware of or if it is just general ease.
What would you guys do? Any opinions?
Cheers and sorry for the LONG question!
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12
Feb
Feb
British Illegal immigrants?
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Bhfrgdfg asked:
Illegal immigrants residing in britain often tend to complain about racism and discrimination from society. Whereas I totally renounce racism and all sorts of abuse based on skin color, i would like to advice them not to link every situation to race as they come here through the back doors and expect a grand life.
employment for foreign nationals in uk is purely based within the immigration legal frame works. Already being law brakers, they should not be pushing businesses to infringe on the law and illegally give them jobs.
Illegal immigrants residing in britain often tend to complain about racism and discrimination from society. Whereas I totally renounce racism and all sorts of abuse based on skin color, i would like to advice them not to link every situation to race as they come here through the back doors and expect a grand life.
employment for foreign nationals in uk is purely based within the immigration legal frame works. Already being law brakers, they should not be pushing businesses to infringe on the law and illegally give them jobs.
To come here, some of them had to sail through the hash waves of mediteranian sea, on wooden boats operated by morocan and libyan smugglers. They then enter britain as human cargo on the back of cargo trucks and blend themselves with our society, the vast majority of which are from west africa (ghana, gunea, ivory coast, nigeria, gambia and the like) . The UK continues to fail to effectively deport migrants without visas
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